Friday, March 11, 2005

Joshys E-Mail Correspondence with Dr. duo

Given below Dr. Joshy Joseph’s correspondence with Drs. Ajith and Arun:
Message 1
From: Joshy Joseph
To: ajitharun@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Article on Nanotechnology

Hi Drs. Ajithkumar and Arunkumar:

I am Joshy working as a Research Scientist at Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. I happened to see an article in 'Kerala Kaumudi' on Feb 20th authored by you, entitled: 'Nanotechnology-yude Vismayalokham'. From that article I came to know about the proposed 'Nano-Tech-Center' and the thoughts and brains behindthat project. I am really sorry to mention that this article contains some serious mistakes and misconcepts. I am attaching herewith a letter which I wrote to 'Kerala Kaumudi' Editor recently regarding this issue. So far I didn't get any reply from the editor. I just want to bring these mistakes to your attention. I am really curious about your research work in the area of 'Nano-bioinformatics'. Could you please send me the list of articles/patents published by you so that I can understand the topic well. I appreciate your efforts to write few lines in reply to this mail.

Regards,
Joshy


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Reply to Message 1
From: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
To: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Dear sir,

What you mentioned regarding the amino acids in terms of DNA bases is correct. We think it is in terms of translation because our Malayalam translation is done by others. Others concepts we think there will be contraversies, sir, but you will be knowing, without contraversies, nothing will happen. As you know Dr. Craig Venter of Celera Genomics, his proposal was first rejected by Dr. James Watson itself in the early 90's, but later he was the sole one for the human genomeproject. Moreover regarding NASA's mission to mars 2020, there are manycontraversies earlier, but now they decided to go ahead. Earlier in 1996, we are the first to wrote to Dr. Daniel Goldin, the then NASA administrator regarding ''nano medicine'' for mars 2020 mission. Now they put nanomedicine in their mars agenda. We also wrote a letter to ''George. W. Bush'' in 1999. He gave a personal reply to us appreciating the project. We had advices now with Dr.Mukherjee, Former Advisor/materials, VSSC/ISRO. Former colleague of Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam, Honb'le President of india. We also had strong links with Foresight Institute, World Nano Forum, Asian Nano Forum. We had started research in nanotechnology in early 1992 [college students]. Of course sir, you know about 105 years back, we cant dream of a supersonic flight,until wright brothers invented it . So, ''nanotechno city'' concept is not a disaster .If so, then silicon valley will be a disaster in the early 90's. You know Mr. Bill Gates wrote to us in 1998, to contact Mr. Chris James , the then CTO of Microsoft for our project. Sir, it is not our dream in one day but we are in this area for the past 13-14 years. Yes it is the dream of Dr. Eric Drexler, Dr. Ralph Merkle, etc..etc............ Be a part of it.
Very truly ..
Dr. Arun Kumar & Dr. Ajithkumar

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Message 2
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Hi Drs. Ajith and Arun:
Thanks for the quick reply. It’s great to know about your efforts in the field of nanotechnology. I appreciate the spirit shown by you. I was really eager to know about the scientific side of your dreams and that is why I requested you to send the details of your patents and publications (on which you kept silence !!!). As a researcher I know how important speculations are, still I thought, writing on dreams like already achieved goals, is really confusing (at least to the general public). I mentioned other misconcepts which are not translating errors (still I don’t understand who will translate an English word such as 'DNA base' to another English word like 'amino acid'). I am not opposing your ideas or dreams, but still I think its the duty of a Researcher to caution (just to caution !!!), whensomebody propagates wrong information. I am not saying that these dreams wont become true in the future (am sure it will), but your arguments in that article gives really a wrong impression that the entire field (nano-bio-informatics) is rotating around your inventions. As a researcher working in the bio-field, I know the current status of research going on in the nano-biotechnology and bio-informatics and I was really wondering how I missed such an important invention (unfortunately even after reading that article, I could not find any reasonable article on your research other than some news on 'nanogenseq'). I would like to mention here that I am not at all against you in person, still the scientific ideas need to be clarified. I am just mentioning few points below (of course from the article) requesting some clarifications (if you don’t mind).
1) "Nanotechnology gives an inexpensive method to make gold, silver etc...." Do you still believe that this statement is correct? I guess that you people know how the properties vary with downsizing of the particle size !!!
2) "Nano gold is 100 times cheaper than pure gold" You know even the cheapest method to make nanogold won’t obey this economics... Rather you are getting some new material which is not related to the bulk metal (in terms of physical, chemical...properties) !!!
3) You state in that article that a 'nanochip' can analyze the entire human genome in two hours with 99% accuracy (and you compared it with the HGP (Human Genome Project), which is again a wrong comparison which confuse the readers)...I wonder from where you got this statistics such as two hours and less than 3000 Rs !!! Did you ever imagine how this 'chip' can be materialized? I think you never did !!! Do you really understand, how important is the HGP, in materializing this dream !!! Its very simple to say that you can use a chip and analyze it with a nanohelical laser !!! I know there are some groups who could materialize the idea of 'gene chips' and this one may be 1000 or more times easier than the making of a nanochip which will analyze the entire Genome !!!
4) Do you still believe that the areas like nanobiophotonics,nano-bio-electro-mechanical system, holographic associative memory chip etc are developed from (based on) your inventions?5) Ever since we understood that the genetic information is stored in DNA, we know that we can predict the possible physical and behavioral properties of a living being if we know the genetic code (and of course we have to identify all the genes which express in these living beings)...I can just understand your 'genetic horoscope' as 'old wine in a new bottle'...Your arguments and ideas may be good enough to convince people who don’t know anything about the so called 'nanotechnology'. When you talk with scientific community you need more convincing data and ideas. I hope my mails will encourage you in getting to newer heights. I am sure you can do it well, but at least when you write something for public take little more care.
Best wishes for your future ventures.
Regards,
Joshy

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Message 3
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Dear Drs. Ajith and Arun:

I didn't get any response for my last message. So can I believe that your arguments of having some patents (accepted and filed) on nanotechnology were just jokes !!! Or still you think you have some scientific support (of published articles / patents), kindly let me know...Now I am requesting for it for the third time.

Regards,
Joshy
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Reply to Message 3
From: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
To: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Dear sir,

We had filed more than 10 patents in india. We are now in the process of filing Usa & European patents. We are having the specific advices now from Dr. Mukhul Mukherjee, Former Advisor/materials, VSSC/ISRO. He is the ex colleague of Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, Honb'le President of India. And the life member: Indian Institute of Metals, Ultra-sonic Society of India, Cybernetic Society of India, Indian Institute of Welding, American Society of Mechanical Engineers etc.... He had his Ph. D from Max Plank Institute . Also was the consultant in Midwest Research Institute, USA in the sixties. He was one of the pionerr in Indian Space Research Organisation/ISRO. We are having hisadvices. Most probably he will be giving a lecture on 'Metals & Supermetals/Nano metals'' in Kalpakam Nuclear research center this month. Hope you will be understanding we are not joking. Moreover our project ''morphomatics'' is the only biomedical project short listed by ISRO to be flown in ISS [International Space Station]. Science is not a joke but a powerful tool to inplement once own visions/dreams as of Dr APJ Abdul Kalams dream ''India 2020''. Please don't have ego.....of course that's the curse for malayali's. Because we had been experiencing this for the past 10 years. We are mainly supported by North Indians and South Indians expect a few visionary malayalis and we are also encouraged by great scientists globally. Hope you will also be a part of our vision.. Don't just ignore it...be a part of it.. As once the great Albert Einstein said ''If it would had beenwrong, I would be sorry to god''. Yes we are also saying ''If weare wrong we will be extremely sorry to god'' as this we had been telling in all our national and international TV and Newspaper interviews. Hope you understand it well than us.

Very sincerely,
Arun & Ajith.

Nb: We are not interested in publishing, but solely interested in filing national/international patents, as now is the era of intellectual property rights.

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Message 4
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Hi Drs. Ajith and Arun:

Thanks for your message. Your mails are really interesting to read. Iwonder how you get away from direct questions and talking bla bla about some big big things. You can talk this way to public (and media) to create an impression that you are doing some big big things. But when you talk about Science and Research to the scientific world, you have to be reasonable in your statements. I understand your reluctance in publishing things, but I just want to get an idea about your approved and applied patents (I hope I have the right to know since you announced that you have some patents, in a general article). So kindly send me the patent file nos or title of your patents (if some of them are really filed or approved). Also, I have asked for few very simple clarifications on your article which came on Kerala Kaumudi and you didn't address it. I am going to write an article in one of the leading Malayalam Newspapers pointing the errors in your KeralaKaumudi article and discussing the originality of your scientific claims (you can take it in any way, ego of malayalees or whatever it is...but I am concerned about the misleading ideas you published). I will wait one more week to hear from the Kerala Kaumudi editor and for giving a 'Correction Note' to your article. So if you wish, kindly send me your responses, to the quieries which I made in my second e-mail to you. I wish all success in your efforts...
Luv,
Joshy
1) Please don’t write to me about the big connections you have (which may again strengthen my ego !!!). Kindly give direct answers. I am already convinced about your great connections...
2) I know that you may interpret my mails in terms of Scientific ego...Show the spirit of a healthy scientific debate and answer my queries on your article. Also if possible give details of your patents. I am not worried about your greatness. Only worried about the wrong ideas which you tried to propagate

Joshy

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Reply to Message 4
From: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
To: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Dear sir,
These are some of the patents we had filed last year. We are now in the process of filing more patents. Moreover we are not creating an impression in the public, but the facts. We received many manyencouraging letters from top Malayali Scientists in USA & Europe, butunfortunately you are the only one to write this. We don't know why.....

Patents filed:
1. Kehlescope [patent file no: 241/che/2004]
2. Nanogeneseq chip [patent file no: 314/che/2004]
3. Helinaser 343/che/2004
4.Nanoflownoids 408/che/2004
5. Splashtec 423/che/2004
6. Nanocircadian pacemaker. 545/che/2004
7. Nanofibon sensor
8. Chameleophores.
We are filing more patents in the coming days. These are filed in India last year and we are in the process of filing in USA & Europe. Hope now you know we are not joking.......... Anyway , we will launch our ''nanotechocity'' in trivandrum veryvery soon.

Very sincerely,
Arun & Ajith

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Message 5
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology

Hi Drs. Arun and Ajith:

Thanks for your message. I am glad at last you gave some info on yourpatents. Could you tell me whether any of these patents are already approved by the Indian Patents Office? Or all of them are still in filing phase?
I will appreciate if you can send me your comments on my questions based on your article...(which I am again scribbling down)..
1) "Nanotechnology gives an inexpensive method to make gold, silver etc...." Do you still believe that this statement is correct? I guess that you people know how the properties vary with downsizing of the particle size !!!
2) "nano gold is 100 times cheaper than pure gold" You know even the cheapest method to make nanogold wont obey this economics... Rather you are getting some new material which is not related to the bulk metal (in gterms of physical, chemical...properties) !!!
3) You state in that article that a 'nanochip' can analyze the entire human genome in two hours with 99% accuracy (and you compared it with the HGP, which is again a wrong comparison which confuse the readers)...I wonder from where you got this statistics such as two hours and less than 3000 Rs !!! Did you ever imagine how this 'chip' can be materialized? I think you never did !!! Do you really understand, how important is the HGP, in materializing this dream !!! Its very simple to say that you can use a chip and analyze it with a nanohelical laser !!! I know there are some groups who could materialize the idea of 'gene chips' and this one may be 1000 or moretimes easier than the making of a nanochip which will analyze the entire Genome !!!
4) Do you still believe that the areas like nanobiophotonics,nano-bio-electro-mechanical system, holographic associative memory chip etc are developed from (based on) your inventions?5) Ever since we understood that the genetic information is stored in DNA, we know that we can predict the possible physical and behavioral properties of a living being if we know the genetic code (and of course we have to identify all the genes which express in these living beings)...I can just understand your 'genetic horoscope' as 'old wine in a new bottle'...Your arguments and ideas may be good enough to convince people who dont know anything about the so called 'nanotechnology'. When you talk with scientific community you need more convincing data and ideas.
Best wishes for your efforts for 'NANOTECHNOCITY' and for getting US and European patents on your 'inventions'.
Regards,
Joshy

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Reply to Message 5
From: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
To: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: DR ARUN & DR AJITH.

Dear sir,

Thanks for the reply. All our patents are in the patent pending phase, as we had already filed the patents more than a year ago. We had already started the process of filing USA PATENT with the help of one of the top patent attorneys in NEW YORK.

Very sincerely,
Arun & Ajith

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Message 6
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: DR ARUN & DR AJITH.

Dear Drs. Ajith and Arun:

Thanks. Still you don’t have replies to my queries on your article inKerala Kaumudi !!!!!!!! This is really pathetic !!!
Regards,
Joshy

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Message 7
From: "Joshy Joseph" <joshyja@gmail.com>
To: "ajith arun" <ajitharun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Article on Nanotechnology
Hi Drs. Ajith and Arun:
I have seen the reports published in 'Manorama Shree' and 'The Hindu'. I feel pity on you !!! How you can propagate wrong information without having supporting scientific data... I really was laughing to read that you have more than 100 patents (manorama article)...And its a great information to me that sending abstracts to International Conferences can be interpreted like this !!! There is something called 'Scientific Ethics'...Do you ever think about that?Time won't forgive you (even if GOD does)..
Best of luck..
Joshy

I didn’t get any replies for my last two messages till today.

2 Comments:

Anonymous Anand, Trivandrum said...

Hi Dr.Joshy,
I was also googling on these duo's claims and happened to see your blog. Your efforts to expose such fraudsters are praiseworthy. I'm keen to know the latest development- whether you could publish any article countering their claims.
With best wishes,
Anand, Trivandrum
e-mail anand.dhamma@gmail.com

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loving the new design, great work. Will it always be this way?

12:49 AM  

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